Response to an Angry Poster

A few days ago I posted my own personal summary of Darin Hufford’s book, The Misunderstood God on facebook and ended up stirring up a hornet’s nest of rage from some Christians (one in particular).  Here is what I posted:

“Love is not jealous” but religion says that according to scriptures God is jealous. “Love is not proud” but religion says God demands to be worshipped. “Love is not easily angered” but religion says God is full of wrath and angry at humanity. “Love keeps no records of wrongs” but religion says God is keeping track of it all. Hmmmm, does God expect us to have a better personality than He does? Why does the God many Christians cling to actually have the personality of Satan? Either God is actually NOT love, or religion has Him ALL WRONG.

This was followed by one person hurling a slew of Bible verses at me accusing me of basing my theology on how I “feel,” trying to be “smarter and more enlightened than the word,” “seeking popularity,” I’m making accusations “against the Bible its self,” that I “do not like the Bible or the entirety of it,” having been “taken captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy,” “revamping the character and nature of God from what the scriptures declare about Him to what (I) and most Christian philosophers today want Him to be,” “twisting the scriptures,” “quoting men and their insights without confirming the authority or accuracy,” “saturating myself with men’s persuasive philosophies about the scriptures,” “not quoting enough scriptures” and it was all followed up with “If I didn’t love you, I wouldn’t bother saying anything at all or provide you with the scriptures listed above.”

Normally I’d just blow this off because it’s clear my post struck a nerve so he chose to assert his “spiritual superiority” over me rather than really taking a look at why the clear description of love taken straight from the Bible (1 Corinthians 13) and applied to God contradicts what many teach about Him. The Bible clearly states in 1 John 4:8 …”God is love.”   I wanted to just walk away.  I hate this kind of nonsense.  But this morning it occurred to me, there are others reading my posts who are not the least bit interested in winning arguments but really want to know how I would answer.  So for their sake, I’m writing this.

It’s humorous, in a sad way, that what got me accused of “making accusations against the Bible,” “twisting scriptures,” and “not quoting enough scripture” was me quoting scripture and holding it to what it CLEARLY teaches about God.  There is a reason why I don’t go around throwing out a slew of Bible verses.  The person who responded to my post showed why.  We can make the Bible say what ever we want it to say to back up our personal stance on anything.   I hold to a “Let He who has ears to hear, hear” stance.  If what I say is of God, He will confirm it to the person and they will see how it lines up with scripture.  If it’s not of God, then He won’t confirm it TO THOSE WHO HAVE EARS TO HEAR. This person believes God is angry and demanding and he threw out a whole bunch of verses to prove it.  I can come right back at him with a slew of verses that say the exact opposite.  That was the tragedy surrounding my post about 1 Corinthians 13.  He was able to use the Bible against the Bible to nullify something it says, while declaring that he is being scripturally “balanced.”  This is extremely common in Christianity.

So what do we do?  The answer is simple.  We look at Jesus.  And I don’t mean in some  mystical, touchy feely way.  I mean read the gospels.  Read what those around Him who knew Him personally said about Him.  “What about the Old Testament?  Do we just blow that off?”  No!  But if we’re going to approach the scriptures correctly we have to start with the Alpha and Omega, the author and finisher of our faith.  All the scriptures point to HIM.  If what you’re reading isn’t pointing you to Him, but instead is giving you rules and codes of conduct to live by, you aren’t reading the scriptures through the correct lens.  This is why Jesus said to the Pharisees in John 5:39 & 40,

You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life.

Some things never change.  This is the exact state that many in Christianity are in.  As President Obama would say, “Let me be clear…” The Pharisees knew the old testament scriptures BETTER than most Christians today (including leaders).  They even had massive chunks memorized.  Yet, right IN FRONT OF THEM stood the Son of God, the One to whom all those scriptures were pointing and they couldn’t even recognize Him.  But it’s even worse than that.  They went so far as to accuse Him of being of Satan!  Is it any surprise that Bible “experts” today can find themselves in the place of standing in direct opposition to Jesus and what He’s doing in this hour?  And you better believe they’ll have chapter and verse to back of everything they say.

Do you know the Bible better than Paul?  I think we can all agree that Paul really knew His scriptures.  He was a Pharisee of Pharisees.  Yet, with all His learning He was more than happy to persecute the church of Jesus Christ.  Brilliant Paul couldn’t see a thing until He was knocked off his horse by Jesus and saw HIM!  Once He saw Him, suddenly He saw how all the scriptures pointed to Jesus.  It was only after meeting Jesus (not just a mental agreement with some verses, but truly encountering HIM) that He could understand the scriptures.  He began looking at things through the correct lens…a lens many Christians are not looking through.  And when He saw Jesus He counted all of His learning as rubbish in comparison.

We know nothing at all if we don’t know Jesus and then look at the scriptures through Him.  Jesus showed us EXACTLY what God is like.  Every Christian who reads that statement will nod their head in agreement.  But then they proceed to run around the Bible grabbing verses that contradict Jesus and say, “We have to have a complete and balanced view of God.”  So, let me say again for those who are hard of hearing, Jesus is the EXACT representation of God.  He’s not a little portion of God and then there is this whole other side of God sitting up in heaven that Jesus didn’t show us.  Jesus is not “safe God” while “danger God” stayed in heaven (because he doesn’t behave well in public).  EVERYTHING we need to know about God, EVERYTHING He is, is seen in Jesus!  Jesus said it Himself to Philip, “Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.” (John 14:9)  Jesus didn’t say, “I’m kind of like the Father.”  Or “I’m the more loving version of my Father.”  He made it plain as day, if we’ve seen Him, we’ve seen the Father, period!  The writer of Hebrews states in Hebrews 1:3,

The Son is the radiance of God’s glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.

There you have it again, Jesus is the EXACT representation of God!  So then we come to that little verse that religionists absolutely abhor (although they’ll never admit it…but actions speak louder than words),  “Anyone who does not love does not know God, because God is love.” (1 John 4:8)  Who wrote that verse?  Well, it’s obvious, John did.  Was John some Old Testament prophet who never met Jesus?  Was He some philosopher locked away in the halls of higher learning?  No!  John was one of Jesus’ BEST FRIENDS!  Arguably,  there is no writer in the Bible who knew Jesus while he walked the Earth better than John.  He was the one who leaned his head on Jesus breast at the last supper, remember?  He lived with him for three years.  So John saw more clearly than any of us what God is like.  Remember, Jesus is the EXACT representation of God.  And John wrote at the beginning of his letter,

That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we looked upon and have touched with our hands, concerning the word of life— the life was made manifest, and we have seen it, and testify to it and proclaim to you the eternal life, which was with the Father and was made manifest to us—  that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us; and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ. (1John 1-3)

John says that he’s testifying of that which he HEARD with HIS OWN EARS, SAW with HIS OWN EYES, and TOUCHED with HIS OWN HANDS. Please keep in mind when John says, “concerning the word of life” he’s not talking about the Bible.  He’s talking about Jesus.  (Remember John 1, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”  Jesus is the word, the message of God.  In fact, the Bible is never called “The Word of God” in the scriptures.  Jesus is called that, because the message is a living man, not a book.)  And this writer who intimately knew Jesus, saw God in the flesh, wrote that, “God is love.”

Now people turn and say, “Yes, he is love.  But we need to balance that with other scriptures.”  Hold on there buckaroo!  Let’s use some common sense here.  If you were trying to solve a murder, whose testimony bears the most weight?  Even in the Jewish law it was clearly stated that by the mouth of two or more WITNESSES a thing was to be confirmed.  And here we have John, an eye witness of God in the flesh telling us he is love.  But we want to run off and grab some scripture form an Old Testament prophet and place it above the one who was actual there, heard Him, saw Him, and touched God among us.  (Uh-oh!  Now I’ve really ticked some people off!)  Yes all scripture is inspired, but you have to look through the correct lens.  Any person with half a brain can tell you that an eye witness has more credibility than any other testimony.

What we see in the Old Testament is an unfolding revelation of God.  They DID NOT have the complete picture.  Peter, who was also an eye witness of Jesus and close friend, wrote:

Concerning this salvation, the prophets, who spoke of the grace that was to come to you, searched intently and with the greatest care, trying to find out the time and circumstances to which the Spirit of Christ in them was pointing when he predicted the sufferings of the Messiah and the glories that would follow.  It was revealed to them that they were not serving themselves but you, when they spoke of the things that have now been told you by those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven. Even angels long to look into these things. (1 Peter 10 – 12)

The Old Testament Prophets and even the angels longed to see what has now been revealed to us through Christ!  If we’re going to truly be scripturally balanced then we MUST acknowledge that the people living in the Old Testament had not seen Jesus.  They spoke of what they had not seen with their own eyes or touched with their own hands and longed to understand.  As Peter said, they were serving us.

People who hold the Old Testament on the same level as Jesus, God revealed, how do you reconcile Jesus speaking to the crowds of people and changing scripture?!  That’s exactly what He did?  “You’ve heard it said ‘you shall not murder,’ but I say to you…”  “You’ve heard it said ‘you shall not commit adultery,’ but I say to you…”  “You’ve heard it said, ‘An eye for an eye,’ but I say to you…”  And on and on He goes!  If all scripture is equal, why is the author standing their altering it and/or changing the emphasis?  Hmmmm?  (Especially the scripture about “an eye for an eye.”  He completely goes the opposite direction on that one!)

See, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit so desperately wanted us to truly understand what God is like, to truly know who He is.  Though out time they could see we just weren’t getting it!  So Jesus came and showed God to us.  This is why He takes priority over anything written before Him.  He is God revealed.  He revealed God’s true nature by dying on the cross.  He showed that God’s love is so intense that He will hold absolutely NOTHING back from us.  He gives all!  Even His own life for people who hate Him!  His entire motivation in all things, is love!

It’s not about one scripture being over another, it’s about Jesus being above all!  He is God revealed.  After Paul encountered Jesus He penned His beautiful description of love in 1 Corinthians 13.  He revealed what love looks like and therefore revealed what Jesus (God) is like.  It’s interesting that when one doesn’t look at scripture through the lens of Jesus, 1 Corinthians 13 as a description of God presents some serious problems.  But when you look at the One who gave up everything, even His own life for us, suddenly it all locks in place.  1 Corinthians 13 doesn’t contradict God.  It’s a beautiful description of Him!

Now Pharisees, it’s time to go crazy!

Loren Rosser


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Study to Show Yourself Approved?

WE’RE BACK!!! The podcast is back after the holiday break. David and Loren respond to a question they received in an email from a listener about 2 Timothy 2:15. In that verse Paul seems to be telling us to study the Bible so that we handle it correctly and can answer any question and win any argument…OR IS HE??? I think you’ll be surprised at what Paul is actually saying to Timothy in that verse.

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New Video

Yes it’s true!  Family Room Media has finally created a new video!  (It’s the first of several to come!)  I (Loren) am turning my recent series of articles on Supporting the Equippers into videos.  Here is Part 1.  ENJOY!

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This Year: What to Expect

On New Years Day people who write blogs are sometimes expected to come up with something deep and/or prophetic for the year ahead. I decided to wait until the first couple weeks of 2015 were past and then post something if the world wide web had not been taken over by North Korea, the Democrats or fallen angels.

As it stands, however, all goes on as usual and will no doubt continue to do so until Jesus returns. The world is still obsessed with money, fame and power and much of the organized church is obsessed with, ah, let’s see…money, fame and power. Meanwhile Jesus is waiting to hear the answer to the question he posed to his disciples after he told them a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. “..when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on earth?”

It seems noteworthy to me that Jesus posed that question in the context of persistent prayer. Most of the women and men of faith in previous generations whom God used in significant ways believed that prayer is the most important work any follower of Christ can engage in. The apostle Paul confirms this when he wrote to Timothy: “I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayer, intercession and giving of thanks, be made for all men..” Many other scriptures make it clear that prayer is a top priority of the believer.

I can testify that whenever I take the time to push busy thoughts aside and meditate on the love, power and grace of God until my heart is touched, worship flows spontaneously and intercession comes naturally. I may not know at the moment what my prayer is accomplishing in the lives of others, but I know that the revelation of Father’s heart that unfolds changes me and the Spirit instructs me on who and what to pray for. And the scripture assures me that when my words fail the Holy Spirit makes intercession for me with words that can’t be spoken. That being said, I must admit I’ve failed to take advantage of the privilege as often as I could.

I’m not suggesting that prayer is effective only when you put time aside from all distractions to “seek God.” The scripture instructs us to pray without ceasing. Talking with God all throughout the day while working, playing or resting should be as natural as is our conversation with each other. If we’re acknowledging him in all our ways, we’ll certainly be in communication with him as well. But there’s a place of laboring in prayer that requires our undivided attention. There are times when a baby has been born in a car on the way to the hospital, but the mother wasn’t focused on the sights and sounds of the city or the news of the radio. So it is if Jesus is to be birthed in us and others in greater measure.

So, what can we expect this year? Probably as much we you put into it.

David Fredrickson

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Supporting the Equippers Part 4: Profile of an Equipper

By Loren Rosser

A couple of weeks ago my family along with my daughter’s boyfriend had a nice lunch with some old and new friends. The folks who joined us were David, a good friend for over eleven years, and Bryon and Misty, new friends we met through David.  We had a fantastic time joking around while gorging ourselves on some amazing barbequed briquette and sharing stories from our journey with Christ.  To the outsider looking in, there was nothing special taking place.  It was just seven regular people eating out together.  But inwardly tons was happening. Just being around these folks made me hunger for more of God. I found a new zeal for God emerging in my heart and a passion to be all that Father created me to be.  But there were no sermons being preached.  Nobody was pointing at me and saying, “Loren, here’s what you need to do.”  Or “Here’s a word from God for you.”  This wasn’t the “after glow” from a powerful meeting either.  It was just seven friends having lunch.  (Actually it was eight, because wherever two or more are gathered…)  Yet, over the next few days it was apparent I gained something very real during my time with these folks.

Most looking on (including Christians) also wouldn’t have recognized that we were enjoying the company of two apostles and a prophetess.  To the religious minded that last sentence sounds arrogant, pious, and boastful. (And to others it sounds like heresy because they don’t believe people function that way anymore – but I’m not going to get into that here.)  The reason it sounds that way to them is because they’ve been falsely taught by religion what people who function in those ways are like.  See, in their minds apostles and prophets (as well as other equippers) are intangible super stars who build huge ministries and “churches.” One is super fortunate to be around them, let alone have a meal with them.  And lunches like this only occur in their down time, between big events.  “You should see them when they’re REALLY in action!”  Allow me just to say, “BARF!”

This is the exact OPPOSITE of what an equipper is like.  Like my friends, equippers are the most down to earth, real, tangible, and approachable people you’ll ever meet.  And as much as it may shock some to hear, it is the times like the lunch we shared together when they are in action.  That’s because they actually live the words of Jesus to love one another. Because of this, they live for genuine friendships and real connections with others. I’ve heard one equipper who is a well-known author and speaker say multiple times that his least favorite venues are the ones where he’s the public speaker.  He found that the most effective equipping actually occurs when he’s one on one with others or in small groups where people can be themselves, ask questions, and share their hearts.  It is in those environments (such as sharing a meal together) he’s able to give to the person what that person needs and receive from that person as well. Boy that sounds familiar!  Why does some guy who hung around twelve guys and sat down with a woman at a well come to mind?  Doesn’t it only make sense that real equippers function like that guy?

True equippers make themselves of no reputation.  And I can’t emphasize enough that they do not desire to be over you or to control you.  Like Christ, they desire most to be able to enter into your world.  They gladly will shed any baggage that keeps them from being able to do so.  In fact, one couple who are equippers I spoke with recently shared how a group of believers to whom they had ministered came to them and said, “We want to come under you!”  They responded, “No!  We will walk beside you as friends, but we will not be over you.” As Wayne Jacobsen stated in one of the videos I co-produced, “I’ve found that I have greater influence in the lives of people I don’t control than I ever did over those I thought I did.” Do you know the brokenness it takes to be able to refuse such a temptation? Few are able, even among those who mean well.  And it doesn’t help that modern day Christians are constantly looking for human kings to follow.  (Only they give them titles like “Pastor, Apostle, Bishop, and so forth.)

Genuine equippers are ordinary and humble.  And they truly live to serve.  They see themselves as being less than their brothers and sisters in Christ.  Yes, years of lip service has been given to equippers being servants but few actually lived it.  Most were kings and controllers calling themselves servants. But that is simply not the case with the true equippers. They are gifts to the body of Christ.  That’s right!  Ephesians chapter 4 straight out says that the equippers (apostles, prophets, evangelists, and pastor/teachers) are gifts straight from Jesus to His church to bring His people to maturity. How should we treat the gifts from God’s hand?  Do we cherish them?  Do we make sure they lack for nothing?  Or do we toss them aside and forget about them like a kid with his toys a few weeks after Christmas?

I firmly believe that one of the reasons why we often overlook supporting the equippers is due to the very fact that they are so down to Earth, humble, approachable, authentic, and familiar.  We see them as one of us.  Yet, we also recognize that they continually stir up our hearts for Christ.  But when the thought of supporting them enters our minds we counter it with, “That’s just my friend Joe.”  That’s also the direct result of our institutional religious training.  Many still believe in their hearts that equippers are somewhat distant.  They’re spiritual heavy-weights that are intangible.  This is made evident by the fact they’ll give to some guy they don’t even know who preaches nice messages or writes good books and articles, but completely neglect the person they actually know who is pouring into them, loving them, and looking out for them.  And here’s an odd thing; if believers were asked, “Out of everybody you know, who would you most trust with your money?” I guarantee you, those who know a genuine equipper would mention that person. I know that would be the case with me.  There’s a reason why Paul said, “Know those who labor among you.”  Yet many keep sending their checks to strangers.

There are some very sound reasons why Jesus set up his church so that equippers are supported by the body.  One is that it keeps them completely dependent on Father.  See, I’m not talking about putting equippers on a monthly salary like institutional churches do with their staff.  That’s not how God set it up.  Where’s the trust in that?  That’s no different than how I receive a check from my job.  Equippers are not hirelings.  We aren’t hiring them to do a job.  Rather, we give directly to the equipper the amount we purpose in our hearts to give for their support.  They are servants.  Actually they are lower than that.  They are slaves.  Slaves live on whatever support their masters determine to give them.  Those they serve can make their lives easy or difficult, based on how much support they choose to give them for their labors.

Let me tell you, that is not an easy way to live!  I do not envy the equippers who Father has living that way. I have it pretty easy.  As a “working Joe,” I know when my pay check will show up, how much it will be, and can pretty much plan out all the trips I’ll be taking a year in advance. These equippers, on the other hand, have no idea how much support they’ll be receiving month to month and have to completely lean on Father to meet their most basic needs (like rent and food).  They have to hear from Him about where they’ll be traveling in the months to come.  Having had seasons like that, I know what a challenge it is to tell somebody you’ll be flying out to minister when your bank account is empty and you’ve got nothing but lint in your pockets.  Folks, they aren’t the old, greedy charlatans of the past.  They’re the real deal, living in complete dependence on Father.

Another reason Jesus has the equippers rely on support from His people is seen in a statement Dr. Stephen Crosby made:

19th/20th century missions missed a critical element of the gospel. In that era, the empowered and informed went to the unempowered and uninformed: “You don’t have what we have, and you need it.” Jesus sent His “missionaries”, with nothing for their own sustenance. Why? TO FORCE EQUALITY AND MUTUALITY OF NEED, rather than “empire-lite.” They were to go in need of the people to whom they were sent. This has been woefully historically absent, and is the source of untold resentment and troubles toward western Christianity. Jesus’ way deals with the cycle of pride in the giver and humiliation of the receiver, thereby, making peace. Western values are not Jesus’ kingdom.

In the past few centuries religious Christian leaders came to the people from a place of superiority.  But Father desires that His equippers are indeed the least among us and therefore come from a place of complete dependence.  Think about it.  In the business world, which is greater, the one who writes and signs the checks or the one who receives them?  And who is greater, the one who sits at the table or the waiter who serves them?  Through dependence on support from those whom they serve, equippers are kept humble through constant reminder that they are merely waiters bringing food to those seated at the table.

Will we as the body of Christ make it easier or more difficult for them to serve us?  How much value do we place on their service?  Those questions are answered with our pocket books.

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Supporting the Equippers Part 3: Identifying the Real Deal

By Loren Rosser

I work with an interesting man named Charlie (not his real name). There was an opossum that was continually coming around Charlie’s house so he began feeding it.  The opossum became a regular visitor so Charlie named him Jasper and built a really cool cage for him.  He’d feed him fruit every day, gave him a play area, and even taught him to use a litter box.  Every so often Charlie would let Jasper go outside to be with his opossum buddies.  Jasper would typically disappear for a day or two and then return.  Well, one day Charlie released Jasper to go on one of his excursions and he was gone longer than usual.  When he finally returned to his cage he wasn’t acting like himself.  He was constantly hissing at Charlie, he was crapping all over the place, and he was shredding everything.  Charlie couldn’t figure out what on Earth was wrong with Jasper.  Two days later the real Jasper showed up on his porch.

I think most the folks who have angst about supporting equippers have been stuck with “the wrong Jasper.”  They’ve encountered the charlatans; the big shot, power hungry, greedy, selfish, know-it-all, wannabes.  Some who have encountered the genuine article didn’t even recognize them as such because all of their religious training had taught them to look for a completely different animal.  Thus the reason the charlatans keep showing up.

So first, let’s look at what an equipper is not.  (Although I’ll be referring to them in the masculine, they can be women as well.) An equipper is not somebody who is going to use you to build his ministry or try to organize you into a “church.”  He is not going to try to get you on board with his vision. He’s not going to be looking to control or manage you.  He’s not going to be attempting to place himself above you nor will he allow you to place him over you.  He’s not going to be after your money, your affirmation, or your recognition.  Basically, an equipper is free from pursuing the three “C’s” that Wayne Jacobsen discussed in his book Finding Church: cash, credit (recognition), and control.

The heart of an equipper is entirely set on seeing Christ formed in you, period.  Want to see what an equipper looks like?  I know of somebody who is a pretty good example.  His name is Jesus.  I’m sure you’re familiar with Him.  How big a congregation did Jesus have?  How much money did he raise to build that dynamic facility?  How much money was He seeking from those around Him? Think about it.  What did Jesus spend His time doing?  He walked around connecting with people and pouring into their lives everywhere He went.  There were those He briefly encountered and greatly impacted and there were those with whom He had close relationships that He spent a great deal of time investing in.  This is the very example the apostles followed, including Paul.  It is we who have attached our institutional religious baggage onto these men and completely missed the simplicity in which they lived.  Paul didn’t run around planting churches.  He lived planting Christ in people’s lives.  Where Christ is, there is the church (His people).  It’s that simple.

But here’s the part many who aspire to be equippers really don’t like to talk about.  One doesn’t get free from the hunger for cash, credit, and control just by waking up one morning and deciding not to pursue those things.  The fact of the matter is we’re freed from those things through suffering.  I remember years ago an older woman telling me “Apostles aren’t born, they’re made.”  I think that goes for prophets, evangelists, and pastor/teachers as well.  One may have the gifts necessary to be an equipper, but that’s not enough.  The problem is many think it is and choose the easy road that requires no death to self.  This is the reason why the church has been so damaged by people claiming to be equippers.  They are full of themselves but know how to talk “Jesus talk.”

There is a mystery that occurs in suffering.  It doesn’t make sense to the natural mind, but somehow we gain Christ.  And I’m not even talking about God throwing you in the fire to teach you a thing or two.  I’m also not talking about suffering that you’re able in any way to maintain any form of polished composure or dismount from with the grace of an Olympic gymnast.  I’m talking about real, raw, brutal, “Where the hell are you God?” suffering that you exit from with all the grace of a fat man landing a belly flop on a hard wood floor.  Those who’ve endured such suffering know exactly what I’m talking about.  They stand up afterwards and say, “What was that all about?”  It was so ugly, so painful, so messy, they couldn’t see what good could possibly come from it.  This is the kind of suffering the true equippers have been through.  Yet, somehow, because of what they gained in Christ while they were flopping around in agony like fish dying on the seashore, they now impart life.  What they didn’t realize was when they were being crucified, so to speak, they died to the selfish desires of the flesh.  They died to the three “C’s.” The Pharisee in them also died while they were meeting themselves in the fire.  And when they emerged from their personal grave Christ was formed in them because it was He who became their resurrection.

This is why when Paul defends his ministry as an apostle he points directly to his suffering.  The path to becoming a genuine equipper is not one for which people are lining up.  There aren’t a whole lot of tickets sold for the bus trip to hell and back.  But this is the required route for preparation. This is how Jesus prepares a people who He knows He can trust with His bride.  Those others are imposters, placing their filthy hands all over her.  These genuine equippers have been broken and He trusts them with what is of greatest value to Him, His bride, because they have His heart and therefore shutter at the very thought of the slightest hint impropriety towards her.

I’ve heard of people making comments like, “Why should I give anything to that equipper just for meeting with us for a few hours?  I didn’t pay sister-so-and so for having lunch with me.”  It obviously doesn’t occur to them that the immense blessing they received in that short time spent with the equipper didn’t just spring forth on the spot.  It came from a well that was painfully dug deep inside the equipper through years of suffering.  They went into the pit to get that message for you.  They paid a high price to help Christ be formed in you.  And we’re squabbling over giving them a few bucks to help them continue doing what they’re doing?

I had an experience at work today that illustrated this quite well.  A guy at work who is an accomplished musician wants to create a video of himself playing his guitar. I’ve seen that this guy has real talent and since I’d love to see his music bless others, I told him I’d create one for him for free.  He immediately saw the value in what I’d be doing for him because I’m not just a chump with a video camera, but have years of professional video experience having even won a few awards for my work.  He began gladly offering to pay me. It’s so sad that in the temporal we can see the value in what somebody is doing for us but when it comes to the eternal we’re either blind to it, selfish, or we just plain don’t view the eternal as being worth more than the temporal.

In Part 4 we’ll further examine the genuine equippers.  I think some will be surprised to discover they look little like what they’ve been taught in the past.

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Supporting the Equippers Part 2: Establishing Us in Christ

By Loren Rosser

When I was at the ripe age of 19 two men came into my life whose influence would prove to be invaluable.  These two men laid the firm foundation of Christ in me. Their names were Jim and Rob.  They were true equippers.  Jim was a prophet who spoke a truly life changing word from God to me that sealed the reality of my heavenly Father in my heart for the rest of my life.  He also birthed in me a genuine hunger to hear my Father’s voice. Through Jim I came to understand that hearing God is everything in our walk with Him.  Man truly does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.

Rob was a married man who had a pastor’s heart.  He took me under his wing as a younger brother and began teaching me through our one on one conversations how to hear Father and live in Him in the practical realities of life. He fine-tuned my ability to hear God and through the home fellowship to which we belonged, Rob helped me learn how to bring what God was currently speaking to a group of people.  He actually trained me to teach prophetically.  Then when Lilly and I started dating, Rob prepared me to be a good husband, not only through his example, but also by sitting down with me regularly to chat about my relationship with Lilly.

If one were to ask me to place a monetary value on the equipping I received it would be impossible to come up with a number.  What price do I place on hearing Father’s voice?  What value does one place on being grounded in Him?  How much should one pay for a marriage that has successfully weathered some of life’s most difficult storms and still remains strong?  Coming up with a monetary value is impossible because the things of the Spirit are worth far more than those of the temporal.  But when I look at the fruit that is in my life because of the labor of these two men, there is not a doubt in my mind that these men deserved “double honor” (monetary compensation) for their labors.  How much did these men receive?  Not a dime.

Jim was the associate pastor of the church we attended and later became the pastor.  It was one of three congregations in the area that were headed by a board of elders.  Jim never received a salary.  He always had to support himself and his family by holding down a fulltime job.  Rob was the worship leader who not only spent his time counseling, teaching, and pouring into the lives of others, he also spent his days mowing lawns for his landscape business to support his growing family.  That may seem all well and good, but here is the real problem.  The church we attended taught the necessity of tithing.  Lilly and I were faithful tithers.  But out of all of that money that went to the church, how much of what we gave actually went to Jim and Rob?  Not a cent.  Kind of strange being that they were the ones who actually did the work in my life that remains to this day.

Let me straight out say I am a firm believer that tithing is over.  It’s just as much a part of the old covenant as sacrificing animals and not eating pork.  But I don’t have the time or the energy to unpack that here.  Let me just say that even though I don’t believe in tithing, I am a firm believer that if you choose to attend gatherings in a building and enjoy being served by a salaried staff it is only right that you contribute reasonable amounts to cover the cost of those things.

Tithing may be dead but giving to those who are true equippers is very much alive and well in the New Covenant.  One only has to look at the life of Paul to see that.  The problem is so many have been damaged by controlling religion and false equippers that they have closed their hearts and wallets to those who pour into others that which is invaluable.  Just as I showed you from my past experience, we approached equipping from an institutional mindset instead of a relational reality.

The institutional church was viewed as being the storehouse.  We gave to that because it gave us access to all the goods.  I think of it like paying the monthly membership fee at an athletic club.  You pay the fee because you gain access to all the amenities, equipment, and classes the club has to offer.  So it doesn’t matter if you’re actually being equipped by your friend the plumber or the pastor, your check still goes to the Christian organization you attend.  Writing out those checks becomes as robotic as paying bills.

In a relational reality we live aware of the needs of those around us and are actually mindful of giving financial support to those who are genuinely equipping the body.  We are still giving to the storehouse but we recognize the storehouse is not a manmade organization but the person in our lives who is laying the foundation of Christ in us.  And we don’t only give to the equippers while we’re receiving from them.  The fact of the matter is very few are in the place of maturity in Christ to be asked to give while they’re being equipped.  Paul recognized this when he wrote to the immature Corinthians and stated that although he had the right to ask of them for support he refused to do it.  Instead he received from others to support him while he equipped the Corinthians.  It is crucial that those of us who have been equipped don’t just take the foundation we’ve received and go our merry way.  Rather, as mature believers it is our turn to recognize what we have received and identify those who are equippers in the body and support their work in the lives of others so they don’t have to be a burden on the weak and immature.   The world has a term for this, “Pay it forward.”

As I stated in my last article, yes we are all equal in the body of Christ, we are all brethren.  One does not have more value than another.  (In truth, the equippers are actually the LEAST among us.  But more on that in my next few articles.)  Yet, don’t tell me nineteen year old Loren who was just sorting out this journey was functioning in the kingdom at the same level of effectiveness as seasoned Jim and Rob.  You can’t tell me I didn’t need what they had.  Nor can you tell me any other Joe or Jane Christian could have laid the foundation in Christ that these men did.  It took two mature brothers in Christ functioning as a prophet and a pastor, loving me enough to lay their lives down for me at their own expense for Christ to be formed in me.  I don’t think the question is whether we should support equippers financially?  I think the real question is what would I give to see the rest of the body of Christ equipped and grounded in Him?

In Part 3 we’ll discuss identifying the true equippers from the fakes.

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Supporting the Equippers Part 1: The Standoff

Written by Loren Rosser

Those of you who are fans of J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit certainly recall the riddle standoff between Bilbo and Gollum.  Well here’s a riddle for you.  (I promise I won’t eat you if you get it wrong.)  It weighs very little but weighs much on hearts and minds.  It is silent but also speaks volumes.  You carry it with you but you can’t take it with you.  And the mere mention of it to believers immediately sparks strong reactions and flashbacks associated with words like manipulation, corruption, and control.  Give up?  It’s money!

It has come to my attention that as was the case with Bilbo and Gollum, there is currently a standoff of sorts taking place within in the body of Christ among those who are moving away from systems of religious obligation towards liberty and genuine relational connections regarding the support of those who function as equippers.  I think this is an extremely important issue that needs to be addressed, and Lord willing, resolved.  As we’ve been moving towards greater liberty in Christ many of His followers have been discovering the pure joy of having their burdens lifted. There is currently a growing conversation about helping the poor and the oppressed.  However, it is my concern that we are willingly or ignorantly oppressing some of our own brothers and sisters by withholding from them their due and the resources necessary for them to function at the level Father desires.

Before I go any further let me flat out tell you I am not after a dime of your money.  I don’t need it nor do I want it.  I’m blessed to have a very good job that more than meets my needs.  This article isn’t about me, which is the exact reason I wanted to write it.  So often the only people who speak up for the equippers are the equippers themselves.  Due to past hurts, wounds, and abuses in the body of Christ, people immediately view them as being self-serving and place them in the same category as the manipulators they encountered in the past.  So these men and women go on pouring out their lives for us (because that’s the kind of people they are) and we gladly receive from them or have received from them in the past.  But why is it we will gladly receive from them that which is eternal but are often not even willing to reciprocate with that which is temporary (money)?

I can hear many saying, “But aren’t we all equal in the church?  We are all brethren!  I don’t get paid for functioning in my gifts!”  First of all let me say, neither do I!  I podcast regularly, have written numerous articles, produced videos, have spoken to congregations, and have even volunteered my time to feed the poor.  And guess what?  I didn’t get paid a cent.  But you are correct; no part of the body is superior to another.  We are all brethren in the body of Christ.  We are a family with one Father.  This isn’t about equality; it’s about function and necessity.  Although I’m very active in encouraging and building up the body of Christ I don’t have invitations to go to places like Uganda, or people asking me to come equip their groups all over the U.S. as one brother I know who is a prophet currently does.  He manages to scrape up enough to go to a few places, but he is unable to function anywhere near the capacity needed to meet the demand simply because the resources aren’t there.  The ox has been muzzled.  And he’s not alone.  I know of a handful of these people who are genuine equippers in the body who bless and have blessed numerous people and are helping and have helped many come to maturity who are obscenely underfunded to accomplish the work to which they’ve been called.  And just so there is no misunderstanding, these equippers aren’t building buildings, trying to start “ministries”, or make names for themselves.  They are doing nothing but helping individuals become grounded in Christ.

I can hear some asking, “Well, if God wants them doing these things, like travel and all, why doesn’t He provide for them?”  That question actually reminds me of what I call “magical thinking” that I often encountered in my years in charismatic circles.  It’s waiting for that check from out of nowhere to appear in the mail box.  It’s waiting for God to make money magically appear in your bank account.   It’s waiting for God to become our personal genie.  It’s waiting for God to do Himself what we’re too darn lazy and selfish to do for others.

Allow me to show you the ridiculousness of that mindset.  Do you think Father wanted the African Americans in the United States to be oppressed and excluded from the rest of society?  If you know anything about the heart of God then you know the answer is a resounding “No!”  Then why didn’t God just make it stop?  You know, just magically make a law pass congress ending the oppression.  We all know that’s just not reality.  He works through people, especially His body.  It took a man after His heart, Martin Luther King Jr., to do something about it, God’s way.  God doesn’t move magically, He moves through people, His body.

I remember back when I was first moving away from organized religious Christianity hearing believers make statements like, “Just think of all the good we could do without having to pay for all this overhead!”  There were ongoing conversations about how shedding all the religious trappings would free up so many resources that could be poured into furthering the gospel around the world, feeding the poor, and so forth.  Now I sit outside the walls of organized religion and I’m scratching my head.  I ponder whether those conversations were really about furthering the gospel and helping the poor or if we were really looking for an excuse to close our pocket books.  I guess my question is how long are we going to stew in our old wounds and hold back our resources from the kingdom needed to release these equippers?  How long are we going to keep justifying muzzling the ox?  Do we truly want to see the body of Christ come to maturity and the kingdom advance or is that merely Christian correct terminology?

To be continued…

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Mutant Jesus

This week my wife and I were selected to participate in the screening of a new Christian movie titled The War Room created by the Kendrick brothers (Courageous, Fireproof, Facing the Giants). We’ve participated in these events before and they’re a whole lot of fun for movie buffs like us. You actually get to be a movie critic. A marketing company has you watch the movie at a selected theater with a selected audience before it’s released and then fill out a questionnaire afterwards to get your take on it.  If they get too many negative opinions from the screening audience on certain aspects of the movie they’ll actually go back and reedit or reshoot some scenes to improve it. This was the first time for us that the movie we viewed was a Christian flick.

I don’t want to review this movie yet because I want to wait until the final cut is complete. They may end up changing many of the things that bothered me. I doubt it, but I do believe in miracles.  I’ll just say the version I saw had all the usual problems that plague Christian movies. Those problems are: they’re too preachy, the message is forced and feels unnatural/unrealistic, they have a cheesy TV movie feel, they tell instead of show (this isn’t radio, it’s film), and they don’t treat their audiences as being intelligent by over explaining everything instead of letting the audience connect the dots and have the thrill of discovery.  However,  many of the people in the audience that were obviously Christians seemed to love it.  Their cheers and other reactions made that quite apparent.

Over the next few days I was bothered by my experience at the theater and I had a difficult time verbalizing why. I mean it’s just a movie, and a clean one at that. We’ve all seen corny movies, so what’s the big deal?  But there was something bigger going on here that really grieved me.  What was grieving me wasn’t just the movie alone.  Rather the movie was merely the symptom of a much bigger more wide spread problem plaguing Christianity that has gone on for decades.  And most folks don’t only tolerate it, they’re so blind to it they participate in it, identify with it, and cheer it on.  The thing I’m talking about is mixture.

Christians for centuries have been fed a concoction of Jesus plus a whole bunch of crap that is horrid for them.  Christians with any level of discernment would never drink the crap by its self, so just enough Jesus is mixed in with it to make it palatable and down the hatch it goes!  After drinking the elixir long enough people can’t even tell Jesus from the crap.  They actually have linked the two and think they’re one and the same.  I could show a crowd Jesus and they’d cheer.  Then I could show them some religious chains and they’d cheer just as loudly.  I could show them a pitcher filled with water from the springs of life and they’d cheer.  And I could show them a pitcher filled with religious poison and they’d cheer.

I can’t even put into words strong enough just how blind and accepting many people are of the mixture. They can’t even see that they are putting weights and burdens on people.  They can’t see they are shackling them and stripping them of their identities in Christ.  They can’t see they are moving in the exact opposite direction from God’s heart.  And there comes a point that many have reached that when Jesus Himself shows up mixed with nothing they can’t stand Him.  They can’t even recognize Him apart from the crap that they’ve been fed. They turn and call Him and His ways heresy.  They ridicule those who drink of only Him as being heretics, embittered, and spiritually dangerous.  They’ve become drunk on the elixir of religious obligation.  They’re in love with mutant Jesus and all his demands, rules, regulations, and quests for power and prestige.  Just as the Israelites worshipped the false god Ba’al, confusing him with the living God, so many Christians worship mutant Jesus as being the real Jesus. For these Christians, trying to peal the real Jesus away from all the crap is like trying to peal two pieces of duct tape apart that are stuck together on their sticky sides.  In their minds Jesus IS the religious nonsense and the religious nonsense IS Jesus.

This so breaks my heart beyond words.  This is the message the movie was carrying, but it’s an ever so common and widely accepted message.  It’s Jesus plus chains.  Jesus plus burdens.  Jesus plus the law.  Jesus plus death.  And of course many Christians are so accustomed to the mixture they cheer on the message.  For me, I ache. I weep.  I grieve.  And I write.  And I create podcasts.  And I produce videos.  And I connect with other brothers and sisters in Christ who have embraced Jesus alone.  All with the deep desire and dream that one day the mixture will no longer be tolerated.  That those who have been drunk on the elixir will grow sick of it, throw it out, sober up, and drink of Jesus alone.  I yearn to see a people who shed the nonsense, live in Christ’s liberty, and love as He loved.  There are many of them out there.  But I can’t be still until all my brothers and sisters are free.  This is my passion.  I may not see it in my life time.  But I’ve felt for years that this is a big reason why I’m on this planet.  This is what I see my Father doing and I’m happy to labor along side Him in His vineyard.

Twenty-one years ago Father gave me Isaiah 45 as the passage for my life.  He’s confirmed it numerous times by numerous people since.  It was written during the time of Israel’s captivity in Babylon. It’s about God breaking the gates of Babylon before Cyrus and giving him the treasures of hidden darkness for the sake of Israel His chosen.

Loren  Rosser

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Man’s Plans and God’s Hand

It came to me a few moments before I began writing this that absolutely nothing major I’ve planned in a decade leading up to about five years ago has gone the way I expected it to. For that matter, most of the smaller things didn’t go as I had planned either. No matter how consistently I’ve been able to get in God’s way, he’s simply continued to push right past me to get things done his way. For the last five years it’s been different. I don’t plan much anymore. I try to find out what he’s up to and hope he let’s me tag along. It’s fun to watch him do awesome stuff without my “help.”

When Joshua was about to lead an army against Jericho, he encountered a man with a drawn sword in his hand. Confident in his mission he trotted right up to him and asked him whose side he was on. The man said “neither, but as commander of the army of the Lord I have now come.” Joshua fell on his face and asked the commander what message he had for him. The Lord told him to take off his sandals as the place he was standing was holy. All of Joshua’s strategic war plans to take Jericho were laid aside at that moment. In the presence of the holy God, he realized two things: God doesn’t take sides, and Joshua was no longer in control. When he removed his sandals he realized that all his proposed ways and means to destroy the city or possess the land were made null and void.

Its mind blowing to realize that we who are in Christ live in the holy presence of God. There are no more holy places, holy objects or holy moments. We are holy in Christ and citizens of a heavenly kingdom living as strangers in the world. Plans based on earthly wisdom, ways and means are not candidates for his blessing. Attempting to recruit God to help us with those plans is futile, because he won’t support us in our dead works any more than those of the pagan next door.

There’s nothing more restful and peaceful than shrugging off false responsibility, letting go of our own efforts and being led by his Spirit in the plans he’s already prepared for us.Instead of frustrated goals and dashed expectations, life becomes an adventure of discovery as we partner with Father and watch the unexpected come to pass by his hand.

David Fredrickson

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